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16.34K DOT

#623 Polkadot Growth Index 📈 and AI Insights 💡

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28th Mar '24

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Hello Builders!

Full proposal available here

Intro

This proposal supports growth of Polkadot Relay & Parachains through on-chain growth insights about specific dApps and parachains, while increasing transparency for their teams & community.

The full discussion about the proposal and poll signals are available here. Initial poll signals:

Aye: 7 votes (100%)

Nay: 0 votes (0%)

The Challenge

The growth of the entire Polkadot ecosystem and individual parachains is related to dApps and wallet activity they bring into the ecosystem - users, TVL & fees.

Parachain teams currently lack a user-friendly growth tool that makes it easy to understand the condition of each of these metrics, which has been addressed several times by the community and W3F. In recent months, Tokenguard has conducted numerous interviews with Ecosystem & dApp builders:

"We would like to understand, from an aggregate (not individual) level, the activities our users do, and the patterns in their behavior. I.e. they may do regular token, defi, social or nft activity. We would also like to understand which on-chain activities are done manually vs automated using bots. Understanding the patterns can help us optimize the features of our software to streamline important use cases and provide a better user experience."

"We would like to understand new users. Where the users are coming from. How did the user fund their account. Correlation between users of different apps."

These and other answers revealed the problems and challenges of builders:

❌ lack of knowledge of user conversion, engagement & churns,

❌ lower TVL and funds inflow into the ecosystem,

❌ lack of tool displaying data suitable for social media promotion,

The Solution

Tokenguard proposes integration of three existing growth tools:

✅ Ecosystem Growth Index for the Polkadot & Kusama Relay chains and 3 parachains with Smart Contract functionalities - Moonbeam, Astar & Vara.

✅ dApp Growth Index for dApps deployed on the parachains.

✅ dApp AI Insights for dApp builders and community to understand the most important events within their products.

Presented solutions will provide insights into the growth of individual parachains and dApps, improving the acquisition of new users and funds, and offering valuable insights for enhancing the retention of existing users.

The solution is ideal for promotional purposes and attracting the attention of new users to the ecosystem and dApps.

We value your feedback and are looking forward to support the ecosystem 🔥

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Overall 25 % of users are feeling optimistic. Generate an email for me to send to my team about this decision. The email should include a brief explanation of why I'm asking them to vote, and also explain that their votes will be anonymous and confidential. Also mention the voting deadline as well. Please make it professional and polite.

Overall 75 % of users are feeling neutral. The proposal seems to propose a service that would allow developers and users of the ecosystem to track dApps on chain A (Polkadot) using an oracle-like system. The idea is to have a centralized entity, in this case Helix, act as a bridge between different chains by providing data from other chains to Polkadot's network. This would allow for better interoperability and connectivity within the ecosystem.

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8th Apr '24

Voted Nay

Hello @Tokenguard,

Thank you for the proposal. Although I understand the necessity explained in the proposal and find the team well-suited for the solution, I must reject the proposal for the following reasons.

Tokenguard seems to be already supporting many chains such as NEAR, Solana, Fantom, Arbitrum, BSC, Avalanche and more, and dApps such as Wormhole, Joepegs, DAM Finance, etc. Are you receiving any funding from these chains or dApps? I'm surprised that a chain as prominent as Polkadot isn't already supported by Tokenguard.
As noted in your proposal, we recently granted over $2MM to the Dune integration proposal. Given this, I believe that ecosystem teams needing metrics should collaborate with the Colorful Notion team to obtain the necessary data. As far as my experience goes, the Colorful Notion team has been very open to new data requests.

I find the requested amount reasonable, but I doubt the necessity of an additional data analysis effort when we have multiple teams working at this front.

Best regards, kukabi | Helikon

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9th Apr '24

Hey @🏔 HELIKON 🏔 !

Thank you for your comment and raising these important points. Our answers below:

We want to clarify that yes, the integration of data from other chains and dApps was facilitated by an external data provider upon request from a customer, who covered the costs in a private grant. Unfortunately, this data provider doesn't collect relay and parachain data and due to the fully decentralized nature of the Polkadot itself, this proposal is the only way to expand our support.
We acknowledge the importance of the integration of Dune as a milestone for covering the entire ecosystem with analytics. However, we'd like to emphasize that while Dune is a valuable tool, it serves a different purpose compared to Tokenguard:

📈 Tokenguard provides user-friendly growth metrics that are comparable between Ecosystems & dApps. Dune is a great SQL multitool, however it's time-consuming for analysts and hard to draw conclusions for communities.
📱 This proposal covers Astar, Moonbeam, Vara and all active dApps (more than 100) from these ecosystems, as well as all new dApps that will be deployed.
💡 AI Insights is a proprietary Tokenguard feature, not available in Dune. With weekly generated summaries, it saves time of dApp builders on analyzing their data and creating social media content.

💵 Financially-wise: Tokenguard will produce around 100 (dApps) x 52 (weeks) = 5200 data-related insights for dApp builders. Safely assuming 0.5-1h of a senior data analyst work every week with an hourly rate of $80h, this translates into $312 000 spent on analyzing the data, not including user insights or comparison features. This grant is ~50% of this value, around 20x less than Dune integration.

This proposal was created after discussions with multiple Substrate teams - including SubWallet, AZero.ID, Common DeX, Abax Finance, Nightly and others (can't share specific quotes here over privacy concerns). Dune is a wonderful tool but taking into consideration its size, we don't think it can answer very specific needs of Substrate dApp builders the way Tokenguard can.

Tokenguard uses SubSquid - a native & decentralized Polkadot project that is widely known, whereas Dune is a fully centralized entity. We believe that the Polkadot ecosystem should embrace diversity as monopolizing solutions could hinder progress and innovation.

Thank you once again for your feedback. We remain committed to the growth and development of the Polkadot ecosystem 🔥

Best regards, Kamil | Tokenguard CEO

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24th Apr '24

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24th Apr '24

Find my response at this link please.

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22nd Apr '24

Hello -

I wanted to provide some feedback on the proposal. It seems like the Tokenguard service is currently oriented towards a smart contract model, which you might find on ethereum, or a smart-contracts focused parachain like Moonbeam or a solochain. like Aleph Zero or Vara.

I believe Polkadot to be structured differently, because the model of user interactions centers around not just smart contracts, but pallets, contracts and XCM across chains. Not to mention being architected as a relay chain, system chains, parachains and then application-specific chains/cores in the future, with the relay chain eventually becoming a chain with minimal features. I believe smart contracts will be important on various chains (e.g. pop, OpenEVM, etc.), but they do not seem to be the basis of activity today in Polkadot.

For example, I believe the functionality frequently used on Polkadot today consists of opengov and staking on the relaychain, swapping/DCA on Hydra, LSDs on Acala/Bifrost, EVM/Swaps on Moonbeam, etc, as well as the XCM activities that help assets to flow around. I have not seen from the proposal that this activity is going to be tracked/measured by the development of the proposal, so it may not be measuring the growth of the ecosystem properly. If I am mistaken, could you list out the extrinsics that will be captured here beyond just smart contracts?

Finally, as much as I appreciate what Vara is doing, as a solochain, I believe it is not a fit for funding by the Polkadot treasury for this particular purpose.

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121k...Ue7o

23rd Apr '24

Hi @W1ZSPR3

Thank you for bringing up these important topics!

At the outset, we wanted to point out that each analytics tool serves a different purpose; it is impossible to use one tool to meet every need.

Tokenguard provides on-chain growth analytics focused on wallet conversion and behavior analysis. The aim of this proposal is to support ecosystem and builders where the traffic is highest, thus allowing to yield the greatest benefits due to ample data for analysis.

In the screenshot below, you'll find ecosystems with the highest user activity. Tokenguard proposes to cover the top 5 of these ecosystems.
Tokenguard delivers insights comparable to other ecosystems & dApps competitive to Polkadot. This allows to understand what type of dApps bring in most users into different ecosystems and how this translates into TVL / fees generated for the ecosystem.
Creating analytics for parachain-specific scenarios, where we deal with vastly different palettes and purposes of specific parachains is useful but would basically cover only a small % of the user traffic. Dune is being implemented into Polkadot to build analytics for this purpose.
Tokenguard supports XCMs the same wasy as Wormhole (https://app.tokenguard.io/wormhole/dapp-growth/) and other XC technologies.
Tokenguard supports all type of extrinsics and includes them into metrics (asset flow is included in TVL) - but for the sake of clarity we don’t display all of them as most of the traffic is generated by transfers, staking and dApps. Most ecosystem teams don't have time to analyze 0.1% of the traffic because bringing in 1 successful dApp is much more effective.

Thanks! Kamil

15fT...yBzL

24th Apr '24

Voted Nay

Hi @Tokenguard,

Upon further thought, I think that we should first see the results of your delivery on your approved proposal #279, whose detailed document seems to have undergone changes also. It's an ongoing proposal and I don't find it fair that you're submitting a new proposal before the complete delivery of the first one.

It's also not clear how you picked the parachains as Moonbeam, Astar and Vara (they're stated as Moonbeam, Pendulum and Vara in your milestones chart in the document by the way). I believe that you need to display proof of research with the parachain development teams and support your decision for the choice of parachains with a solid statement backed by data. Same goes for the choice of metrics.

My vote remains nay. Looking forward to the results of 279.

Best regards, kukabi | Helikon

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24th Apr '24

Hey @🏔 HELIKON 🏔

Thanks for your reply, really appreciate it!

There are numerous cases where you voted "Aye" for a 2nd proposal without the 1st proposal being closed (from the same Proposer). Example here:

#469 Setup of two Swiss Foundations for DED and Mythos
#643 Mythical Games and Polkadot, a proposal from Mythos Foundation Swiss
So is this rule of 2 proposals not being fair applied only to specific projects?

We choose blockchains with the highest number of users and wallets, as explained in the previous comment. The data is taken from Subscan explorer of each of these blockchains.

Looking forward to your thoughts!

Best, Kamil

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24th Apr '24

Hi again @Tokenguard,

Responses to this comment,and this comment claim the completion of #469 through a linked registration document. Still, please look into it and let me know if there are issues with it.

And thanks for letting me know about your method for choice of parachains, it's looking good.

I think you can go and deliver your initial promises for #279 now before asking for more funds.

Regards, kukabi | Helikon

121k...Ue7o

24th Apr '24

Hey @🏔 HELIKON 🏔

Thanks again!

The links provided confirm only the execution of Milestone 1. What about Milestones 2 and 3? These included a Legal Opinion and FINMA no-action letter which can take up to 60 days and without which it's actually legally unsafe to emit a token and further conduct this project. Of course, further, a token should be emitted.

Our #279 proposal is actually much further in completion (78%) compared to #469 (33,3%).

Happy to hear your thoughts!

Best, Kamil

15fT...yBzL

24th Apr '24

Hi @Tokenguard,

Thanks a lot for the notice. I abstained my vote on the Mythical referendum and I am on hold until they deliver information regarding the completion of milestones 2 and 3, find my comments here.

Now, do you have any other excuses left, or are you going to deliver what you were paid for and promised to deliver before you ask for more funds?

121k...Ue7o

24th Apr '24

Hey @🏔 HELIKON 🏔

To be fair you should then "Abstain" in case of this proposal (#623) as well.

❤️ We're not looking for excuses and don't want to make any enemies. We're just looking for equal rules and treatment by the community - especially taking into consideration that all our asks are reasonable compared to others and we never ask for money for marketing, promotion and PR. We're deeply rooted in the Polkadot Ecosystem and work hard on every-day basis to bring more dApp activity and users which in our belief - is the fundamental of every growing ecosystem.

🔥 This proposal allows us to index other chains data to not only deliver what we promised here but also help improve the results of proposal #469. If you'd like, I'm happy to tell more and guide you through the nuances of tracking dApp conversions & events which is an extremely technical challenge.

Really hoping for a friendly cooperation to make the whole ecosystem grow.

Best, Kamil

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24th Apr '24

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ChaosDAO members were skeptical about the value that this project would bring to the ecosystem.

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