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#1049 The Polkadot Halving

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13zu...VD4L
 
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4th Aug '24
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The Polkadot Halving

Objective:

This proposal aims to gauge whether the Polkadot community is interested in reducing the inflation rate of DOT by 50% and driving the narrative of the "Polkadot Halving" across all marketing channels.

Rationale:

Recognizing that Polkadot is a community-driven platform, this Wish for Change (WFC) is a call to action for all members to create a significant event within the Polkadot ecosystem and beyond.

While some might think 3-4% inflation is better, the marketing of the Polkadot halving carries more weight as it's a well-known characteristic of BTC. The repeated nature of this happening sets long-term positive speculation.

Proposal Details:

  • Inflation Reduction: Reduce the inflation rate of DOT by 50%.
  • Marketing Narrative: Drive the "Polkadot Halving" narrative across all marketing channels to create awareness and excitement within the community.
  • Future Proposals: If this WFC is agreed upon, it is with the understanding that another Polkadot Halving WFC will be proposed for the community to vote on, after each BTC Halving (approximately every four years from the day of this Polkadot Halving WFC). This will allow the community to gauge and adjust according to the ecosystem's growth.
  • The Halving Date: The Fellowship can decide the date and time aiming to be within three months of this WFC.

Long-Term Vision:

The long-term vision is to establish a recurring following each BTC halving, where the community comes together and votes on whether to halve the supply again. This fosters community engagement and alignment at a set date in the future, creating a stable and predictable narrative similar to Bitcoin.

Final remarks

After posting the WFC, I will post on my X.com account @Josiahkotzur1 and pin it to my profile. I humbly ask all voters to share this, whether it is Aye or Nay, so the whole ecosystem can vote on the topic and determine the outcome of this WFC.

Regards, Josiah

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93.5%Nay
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Overall 77 % of users are feeling neutral. The text discusses a proposal for adjusting Polkadot's inflation system by reducing issuance and complexity. The author suggests starting with an 8% return on investment (ROI) for four years before considering more drastic measures, as this approach is less likely to be met with opposition or create division within the community.

Overall 22 % of users are feeling against it. The proposal to reduce Polkadot staking rewards is seen as punishing investors and attracting speculators with an unpredictable narrative. This policy change may harm the project in the long run, rather than fostering positive speculation. Additionally, agile core time doesn't significantly impact projects or burn a lot of DOTs.

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deleted-f498c4d3-6b5b-4bcf-bb0c-d8d8095e5536
 
 
4th Aug '24

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11fx...7dkM
 
 
4th Aug '24

Please make sure to review Gav's reply to the latest wish-for-change that tackled inflation. There should be enough time for discussion and feedback for such an important topic, We wouldn't like to rush in 30 days such an important decision.

https://polkadot.polkassembly.io/referenda/851#Oo28tEmzKyoCWJNce8yg

Here's the current discussion, it should be preferable that an inflation changing wish for change and posterior implementation was discussed on the forums first so that members of the fellowship devs and community can review the changes. Here's the current discussion. https://forum.polkadot.network/t/proposal-for-adjusting-polkadots-inflation-system-reducing-issuance-and-complexity/9157

13zu...VD4L
 
 
5th Aug '24

Thank you @saxemberg I will dive into those links, and get back to you as there is quite a bit to go through.

13zu...VD4L
 
 
6th Aug '24
(Edited)

@saxemberg I have responded in the Forum.

I would like to invite @gav to comment, as from what I can see, this WFC does not impede on cap supply but only addresses inflation and ecosystem alignment every 4 years while adding a strong narrative to our ecosystem.


I have read through the messages from the "Proposal for Adjusting Polkadot’s Inflation System: Reducing Issuance and Complexity" and have posted my 2 cents.

I have decided to also post them here as they add value to this WFC please read bellow:

I will try to keep this concise. To me, the goal of this discussion is in the title: "Reducing Issuance and Complexity," and coretime, governance, and treasury spending should be kept out of this discussion.

I believe it is all quite simple; we default to a proven and well-known model, that being BTC and the BTC halving mechanism.

Why: While "mums and dads" might not know what crypto, altcoins, or blockchain is, they all know what Bitcoin is. As Web3 is adopted by mums and dads, it will be easier if our inflation model is similar and relatable to BTC.

The US has already started to bring up BTC in politics for being a sound and resilient digital currency. We do not need to reinvent the wheel; in fact, there would be much synergy if we had a similar narrative to BTC. Polkadot already has a high Nakamoto Coefficient, and we are secure and scalable. However, our token metrics are not sound. We have regulatory clarity as software, and there is no reason why our "software" can't be a hedge against an inflating USD. As this discussion has covered, we don't know what the future holds with core time sales and JAM. However, I agree we should not have a fixed supply at this stage.

I do believe that we should align our inflation narrative with BTC and act sooner rather than later on this so that our supply halving happens in sync with BTC's halving, allowing us to catch the halving wave after BTC's halving. Such a narrative will spark the interest of long-term investors, knowing that now is the time to stake and get in early while the APY is high.

These four-year terms are also comparable to the US elections, making it more relatable for newcomers, and there will be synergies there for OpenGov to explore.

In closing, I decided to post this WFC as there is a huge growing discontent within the community on X.com.

imageScreenshot 2024-08-06 at 12.04.33

I have made this chart for a quick visual on how this will look for the next 4 cycles:

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Polkadot is upgradable, and if there is any discontent, we can make adjustments. However, I do believe that this will greatly strengthen our narrative and help restore confidence in our ecosystem.

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11fx...7dkM
 
 
6th Aug '24

@Doinglifewell 

Roger that. Just a note, this is not opposition to reducing inflation. It's just that this step-wise 50% reduction approach is significantly more aggressive of what was already deemed "too aggressive" of a reduction.

1049's line will be even lower than the other proposed lines during the anon referendum 851 https://x.com/saxemberg/status/1802756070349345106

13zu...VD4L
 
 
13th Aug '24

@saxemberg

Sure, I understand this is a complicated topic and a Sharp and rapid change would be a shock to the long-term stakes. my view is that a simpler approach is more relatable to the wealth entering this space. 8% ROI for 4 years is still excellent and is still in the "too good to be true" category for new crypto investors.

on another note: I want to thank you for your comments and the feedback you provide on X. More voters need to do it; I believe it greatly contributes to the health of the ecosystem by allowing Proposers to learn the community sentiment and refine how they approach the treasury.

14tX...GEjs
 
 
6th Aug '24

Voted Aye

I support the idea, let's make the asset deflationary, even ethereum tried to switch to this model. At the very least, we need to significantly eradicate this inflation

12RC...3228
 
 
6th Aug '24
Voted Nay

We should have this conversation after Agile Coretime, not before. There are ramifications for doing so: https://x.com/0xgoku_/status/1819345584693617121?s=46&t=8OHoQS5WYvVJ6O_n5G4B0g

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16M5...VNvZ
 
 
7th Aug '24

@Fossil112  Agile core time doesn’t make any impact. Even with almost free crowdloans now, there are still few projects participating. Don’t expect agile core time to burn a lot of DOT.

13zu...VD4L
 
 
13th Aug '24

@Fossil112 

Hi @Fossil112 Thanks for the Link, Its a good read!

14on...G9iX
 
 
7th Aug '24
Voted Nay

As we saw with DED, if you take away something that people are expecting to get it can elicit a very intense negative response. This phenomenon is known as deprival super reaction syndrome and it is a very strong, irrational response. It is likely the case that a large number of tokens are held by owners that don't vote in governance (or Twitter polls). If we take away those investors staking rewards, that they are expecting to get, then they probably will get very annoyed, stop buying if they are, and some of them will sell.

From the perspective a new investor, the high yield of Polkadot is attractive because it compensates them for the risk of holding what the market perceives as a lower quality asset. If Polkadot staking reward is brought close to the level of Ethereum, the rational choice for an investor would be to buy the Eth because Eth is perceived as higher quality and lower risk.

It is the predictability of Bitcoin emission that makes it attractive, not the 50% reduction per se. This proposal is just an attempt to drive the price of do by attracting speculators with a silly narrative that actually demonstrates the unpredictability of Polkadot emission while punishing investors who have held and participated in staking. It is just as likely that a policy of reducing inflation in this way will be perceived as desperate actions by a failing project.

This policy change is more likely to cause harm than it is likely to cause "long-term positive speculation."

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7th Aug '24

@Pheeb 

We already entered a downward spiral in market capitalization some time ago. So what else is going to happen? I doubt that we will lose Staker.

In terms of the WFC I don't think we should take that extreme approach. I have no problem with starting at 8%, watching and moving on. I just think it will be an eternal discussion unless you help it along with some "extremism". At the end is a WFC and sentiment check. Something finally has to happen.

14on...G9iX
 
 
7th Aug '24

@deleted-f498c4d3-6b5b-4bcf-bb0c-d8d8095e5536 

Punishing investors is not going to attract more investment. You need to forget about the market cap and focus on delivering value.

13tt...rzkD
 
 
7th Aug '24

Any proposal to reduce or halve inflation would be rejected because it would affect the official withdrawal of cash from the Treasury

13tt...rzkD
 
 
7th Aug '24

$DOT is going to zero

14Gn...YLEh
 
 
8th Aug '24
Voted Nay

Although I am in favor of a reduction in inflation at Polkadot, I find this type of proposal problematic.

These proposals, such as the one that proposed to put a hardcap on Polkadot without taking into account the projections made by Gavin Wood, are not planned or discussed enough to be launched, so end up being rejected.

However, these rejections generate problems since, externally, it is believed that Polkadot does not want to reduce inflation or put a limit on the production of tokens, when no, WHAT WE DO NOT WANT ARE UNBASED PROPOSALS.

Already from the Fellowship we are working on the Pallet Inflation, which will allow the community to decide directly by vote the inflation of the protocol. We are having discussions in the Forum for this.

Many Polkadot developers are working hard to find the best way to manage inflation. However, poorly planned and rushed proposals only generate divisions, bad external perceptions and delay the progress that the ecosystem can make at this point. It is essential that we work together to find consensual, long-term solutions.

12xR...4Mq1
 
 
13th Aug '24

I consider mandatory to reduce the inflation but this proposal have more than one direction, reduction of inflation, fellowship prerrogatives and mkt. If the decision is change the role of opengov should be voted each proposal in each referendum.


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